Who would win in a fight....MMA fighter or Boxer? vol.

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Bastitch		#81	[url]	[-]
Posts: 22590 06/08/09 3:32 PM Your Mom Went to College	I'm having a hard time reading through this. Brock has no ground game? The guy was an All-American wrestler. He has the ability to control people on the ground and pound them out. "Ground game" doesn't mean submission skills. Submission skills means submission skills. RJJ would take Anderson Silva in MMA? Dude, what the..? What the hell am I reading in here? Chuck Liddell, who has EPIC takedown defense and is arguably one of the best standup fighters in MMA as recently been rendered useless because the MMA game has progressed so quickly. It's not just whether or not you have ground skills. You have to consider being in the clinch. You have to consider standup defense from not only punches, but kicks, elbows and knees. You have to be able to work in a cage. I'm not saying any of these world class boxers could not make it in MMA. I'm saying that when someone says that an elite boxer can compete with the elite Mixed Martial Artists more times than not is like saying track stars can be decent Wide Receivers in the NFL more times than not. And we know that doesn't happen. It's such an ignorant statement to make, and truly speaks to the general public's lack of understanding when it comes to mixed martial arts. :wq Last Edited By: Bastitch 06/08/09 3:39 PM. Edited 1 time.
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SFN 155		#82	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 1859 06/08/09 3:48 PM	Bastitch wrote: I'm having a hard time reading through this. Brock has no ground game? The guy was an All-American* wrestler. *National Champion.
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d0nt w0rry about it		#83	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 2332 06/08/09 3:50 PM	SFN 155 wrote: Bastitch wrote: I'm having a hard time reading through this. Brock has no ground game? The guy was an All-American* wrestler. National Champion. 2 time ncaa all-american and ncaa national champion. -d.w.a.i.
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ScottHallWithAPick		#84	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 6953 06/08/09 3:52 PM	peep the kicks wrote: JapanAir21 wrote: MMA fighters would win in MMA matches. Boxers would win under boxing conditions. Have you ever been in love? Oh love, it can start very quickly and very easily. As simple as a way a beautiful girls hair falls across her shoulders. But it can disappear just as quickly.You wake up one morning and its gone, but you want it back and you wanna fight for it! You wanna breathe that fire again.So you call for it, You call out....
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Stringer Bell 32		#85	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 17164 06/08/09 5:36 PM	This is just a stupid thread really....with a fairly obvious answer but here we are 6 pages later EQUI PO BO XEO "The game can be cruel some times. It can be fruitful. You respect it and go about your business."
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AirJordanSeattle23		#86	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 12487 06/08/09 5:45 PM	a boxer would obviously lose in an mma match as they dont have the martial arts/grappling skills. just like asking who would win n=in a boxing match a mma fighter or a boxer? a boxer obviously. TEAM MUFC "talk some smack Rooney..do your thing"
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Guerrilla Warfare		#87	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 6775 06/08/09 7:21 PM	*MMA fighter....* >>>Made In Dade<<< 305>>Opa'Locka Goon/Str8 Drop Gang<<305
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EAGLE 0N		#88	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 2177 06/08/09 7:26 PM	More often than not, an MMA fighter would win. I really think the underlying subject that OP is trying to get at is -- Which is the better sport? twitter
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BC2310		#89	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 322 06/08/09 7:47 PM	Bastitch wrote: It's such an ignorant statement to make, and truly speaks to the general public's lack of understanding when it comes to mixed martial arts. Elite MMA Fighter >> Elite Boxer 9 out of 10 Mediocre MMA Fighter > Elite Boxer 6 out of 10 I'd take Bas Ruten in a street fight over just about any boxer in the game right now and dude is 44 My Money >>> OP's money some dude took rashad over jermaine b/c Rashad Strength was standup... wrong Rashad was a wrestler first (MSU) his standup came along later *"Never Underestimate the Predictability of Stupidity"* support my childhood friends
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Sir Rob A Lot		#90	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 1550 06/08/09 8:15 PM	EAGLE 0N wrote: I really think the underlying subject that OP is trying to get at is -- Which is the better sport? Good eye. I'll admit.....this thread sucks. Team L dot A dot Cotto over Clottey (Proshares Bet) Rocky Juarez over Chris John
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fraij da 5 11		#91	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 11851 06/09/09 9:18 PM	Yall know that Andrei Arlovski is gonna have a boxing match this month right? Im not sure who hes gonna be fighting but apparently its on the 27th. Well see how well he does, hes got some of the best stand up in the game but his chin is made of glass at times... thats when hes gettin knocked with 4 oz gloves though so well see what happens when he gets in the ring for the first time... TEAM XBOX360.::ShotsRangOut::. TEAM CHEESEHEADS
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after h0urs		#92	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 1234 06/09/09 9:33 PM	Purely depends on the rules. MMA fighter would take out boxer in less than minute with MMA rules. Same goes for boxing if the rules are held in his favor.
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superbowlhomeboy217		#93	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 221 06/10/09 7:50 AM	Sir Rob A Lot wrote: moonmaster3 wrote: If any of that were true Yes sir.....I was pretty good too. Section Placer and a match away from qualifying to the CA state meet. I beat Elias Rey, Florida state champ, my senior year at Reno. I stay with it....a world class boxer would beat any Wrestler or Mixed Martial Artistis in a fight. You can't be serious bragging about beating Elias Rey on an international shoe forum. That kid was a pretty good HS wrestler in FL, I think he took 3rd his senior year and won his title in the smallest classification the year before, but that is absolutely nothing to brag about on a national forum when trying to prove how tough you are. Wrestling Juco in Cali is nothing to brag about either, those teams are a dime a dozen and they hardly ever send anyone worthwhile out of that league. Section Placer? C'mon man, not even making it to state? Cali is tough, but not that tough. If you were really a seasoned college wrestler you wouldn't have to point out the lone state champ you beat back in HS in a lame attempt to prove yourself. I have this debate with my friends all the time. If a boxer can knock out the MMA guy in the 3-5 seconds it takes the MMA guy to tie up with him it's over, if not the boxer is done. Boxers can throw some serious punches from their feet, but what are they going to do when someone is in on their legs? You can't honestly expect them to have the same power or even know what to do, good luck using a right hook while defending a double leg. Also, what is a boxer going to do on the ground? A boxers skill set has absolutely nothing to do with fighting on the ground, and how often have you seen a street fight where the guys don't end up on the ground? The same people that thought a boxer would win are the same people that thought Kimbo Slice was going to tear up the MMA world. "Oh he punches so hard, nobody will be able to get in on him." I am aware that he was not a boxer, but the arguements were the same (punching power) and we all know how that turned out. I feel that people are constantly underestimating the skill set of the MMA guys. When You're Rich You Don't Write Checks
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Sir Rob A Lot		#94	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 1569 06/10/09 7:59 AM	superbowlhomeboy217 wrote: Sir Rob A Lot wrote: moonmaster3 wrote: If any of that were true Yes sir.....I was pretty good too. Section Placer and a match away from qualifying to the CA state meet. I beat Elias Rey, Florida state champ, my senior year at Reno. I stay with it....a world class boxer would beat any Wrestler or Mixed Martial Artistis in a fight. You can't be serious bragging about beating Elias Rey on an international shoe forum. That kid was a pretty good HS wrestler in FL, I think he took 3rd his senior year and won his title in the smallest classification the year before, but that is absolutely nothing to brag about on a national forum when trying to prove how tough you are. Wrestling Juco in Cali is nothing to brag about either, those teams are a dime a dozen and they hardly ever send anyone worthwhile out of that league. Section Placer? C'mon man, not even making it to state? Cali is tough, but not that tough. If you were really a seasoned college wrestler you wouldn't have to point out the lone state champ you beat back in HS in a lame attempt to prove yourself. So, I'm assuming your a state champ? I've beat a lot of dudes that were wrestling in the state meet my senior year. But no excuse.....they deserved to be there. Cali is that tough son. We only have one state tournament. Only 38 wrestlers qualify to the tournament in each weight class. Some sections are tougher than others, so some of our studs do not get to qualify (ahem...me). Our sections placers are equivalent to being 4x state champs Florida, in any classification. Elias Rey gets my respect, as does any state champion from any state. BTW, CA JC >>>>>>>>>NJCAA Wrestling bet that Team L dot A dot Cotto over Clottey (Proshares Bet) Rocky Juarez over Chris John Last Edited By: Sir Rob A Lot 06/10/09 8:12 AM. Edited 1 time.
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superbowlhomeboy217		#95	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 222 06/10/09 8:16 AM	Sir Rob A Lot wrote: superbowlhomeboy217 wrote: Sir Rob A Lot wrote: moonmaster3 wrote: If any of that were true Yes sir.....I was pretty good too. Section Placer and a match away from qualifying to the CA state meet. I beat Elias Rey, Florida state champ, my senior year at Reno. I stay with it....a world class boxer would beat any Wrestler or Mixed Martial Artistis in a fight. You can't be serious bragging about beating Elias Rey on an international shoe forum. That kid was a pretty good HS wrestler in FL, I think he took 3rd his senior year and won his title in the smallest classification the year before, but that is absolutely nothing to brag about on a national forum when trying to prove how tough you are. Wrestling Juco in Cali is nothing to brag about either, those teams are a dime a dozen and they hardly ever send anyone worthwhile out of that league. Section Placer? C'mon man, not even making it to state? Cali is tough, but not that tough. If you were really a seasoned college wrestler you wouldn't have to point out the lone state champ you beat back in HS in a lame attempt to prove yourself. So, I'm assuming your a state champ? I've beat a lot of dudes that were wrestling in the state meet my senior year. But no excuse.....they deserved to be there. Cali is that tough son. We only have one state tournament. Only 38 wrestlers qualify to the tournament in each weight class. Some sections are tougher than others, so some do not get to qualify (ahem...me). Our sections placers are equivalent to being 4x state champs in other states. Elias Rey gets my respect, as does any state champion from any state. BTW, CA JC >>>>>>>>>NJCAA Wrestling bet that No I am not a state champ, but I have beaten my share over the years. I'm not here to brag about myself in an attempt to validate my insight, I just found it humorous that someone was bragging about beating a decent HS wrestler in SW FL on a national forum. Now you're bragging about beating guys that qualified for state, get serious here. At best you were maybe one of the top 38 guys in your state in your weight class. I'm sure your family is pretty proud of you, but that is nothing to brag about to strangers. I am familiar with the California state tournament and all of the better wrestlers that come out of it. You have no idea what you are talking about and have a complete lack of understanding of the national wrestling scene if you think being a California sectional placer is the equivalent of being a 4x state champ in some other states. California is a top five state but you are acting like it is PA or something and you are Jason Welch. Cali Juco's better than NJCAA? C'mon man, you are serious. When was the last time a high profile HS guy went to a Cali Juco? How come Billy Murphy didn't stay in state? When was the last time a Cali Juco guy did anything at NCAA's? When You're Rich You Don't Write Checks
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drock2010		#96	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 1884 06/10/09 8:23 AM	Depends on the rules if there are no rules I would take an MMA fighter just because they can take the boxer to the ground R.I.P. Sean Taylor #21 TEAM METALHEADS
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Sir Rob A Lot		#97	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 1571 06/10/09 8:43 AM	superbowlhomeboy217 wrote: No I am not a state champ, but I have beaten my share over the years. I'm not here to brag about myself in an attempt to validate my insight, I just found it humorous that someone was bragging about beating a decent HS wrestler in SW FL on a national forum. Now you're bragging about beating guys that qualified for state, get serious here. At best you were maybe one of the top 38 guys in your state in your weight class. I'm sure your family is pretty proud of you, but that is nothing to brag about to strangers. I am familiar with the California state tournament and all of the better wrestlers that come out of it. You have no idea what you are talking about and have a complete lack of understanding of the national wrestling scene if you think being a California sectional placer is the equivalent of being a 4x state champ in some other states. California is a top five state but you are acting like it is PA or something and you are Jason Welch. Cali Juco's better than NJCAA? C'mon man, you are serious. When was the last time a high profile HS guy went to a Cali Juco? How come Billy Murphy didn't stay in state? When was the last time a Cali Juco guy did anything at NCAA's? Someone questioned if I actually wrestled....so i spilled SOME of my credentials. I'm not saying I would have been a state champ in PA.....but i definitely would have been in the hunt in states like FL, NV, TX, WA, OR, WA, Alaska, Hawaii, etc. And I know for sure that my section of 115 wrestling schools is tougher than some states. Why didn't Murphy, Triggas, or other great CA HS wrestlers stay in state? Because of the lack of D1 programs. I know you know that.....how many D1 or even colleges offer wrestling in your home state of Florida? I know there is zero D1 programs out there. To be honest, I can't think of any CCC wrestlers that became AA in D1. But I'm sure that has been. Team L dot A dot Cotto over Clottey (Proshares Bet) Rocky Juarez over Chris John
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superbowlhomeboy217		#98	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 223 06/10/09 9:28 AM	It's one thing to list some of your credentials, it's another thing to say "I was pretty good too." That sounds like you were trying to brag to me. "I'm not saying I would have been a state champ in PA.....but i definitely would have been in the hunt in states like FL, NV, TX, WA, OR, WA, Alaska, Hawaii, etc. And I know for sure that my section of 115 wrestling schools is tougher than some states." FL > All those states you listed. The fact that you lumped FL in with them proves how little you know. Florida had as many D1 All Americans as your great state of CA did this past year. Just because you beat a kid from FL's weakest class does not mean you would have been in the hunt. California has a hand full of NCAA D1 programs: UC Davis, UC Bakersfield, Stanford, Cal-Poly, and Cal-Fullerton. Off the top of my head I think the only states with more are OH, PA, and NY. I wouldn't exactly call this a "lack of D1 programs". Again, you are trying to pass off what little knowledge you have of the national wrestling scene as an informed perspective. I mentioned Murphy because he has wrestled Juco's the last two years. No, not in his home state of Cali, but at ICC an NJCAA school in the midwest. Why? Because the NJCAA is far superior to the CCC's. The only Cali Juco wrestler tI can think of that has made a name for himself in the last ten years is Tito Ortiz, and that was for fighting. Year in and year out kids go from the NJCAA's to D1's. All I'm saying is, quit acting like you are the voice of wrestling or even know what you are talking about when discussing the sport. When You're Rich You Don't Write Checks
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Sir Rob A Lot		#99	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 1575 06/10/09 9:55 AM	I respect your wrestling knowledge. But you are out your mind if you really think FL wrestling is over CA! We have more teams and better quality.......and just 1 state meet. Yes, there is a lack of D1 programs....not just in CA but in the nation in general. Be honest wouldn't you rather wrestle for Iowa or Ohio St. rather than the D1 schools that CA has to offer? Rey was a state champ, no? And he was one of FL's better wrestlers, regardless of classification? I think I would have been in the hunt. The reason why Murphy, Moreno, Zac Taylor (who is also a CCC champion) chose to go the NJCAA route is the exposure to other D1 schools outside of CA. Some of those NJCAA schools scrimmage and attend open tourneys that feature D1 programs. CCC teams do the same, but we are a 1 semester sport, so we our schedule is stricter and tighter. Since NJCAA runs through 2 semester, there is more room to schedule. Now, CCC > NJCAA is aruguable. But CCC is not a joke. Check how many JC squads in CA, and compare it to the number of teams in NJCAA. I believe in past years, CCC featured more wrestling teams than NJCAA. LOL, where did I mention that I was the voice of wrestling on NT? Team L dot A dot Cotto over Clottey (Proshares Bet) Rocky Juarez over Chris John
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DublBagn		#100	[url]	[-]
Registered Member Posts: 2464 06/10/09 10:03 AM	which type of fight???? I would almost always take the MMA fighter...boxers are good at boxing, but MMA fighters can break your arm real quick... Looking for splatts, laney V's, unlucky's sz 11.5-12
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